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How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« on: January 29, 2013, 04:18:29 AM »



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How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare

Many of us have questioned what caused Roberts  to switch his vote on ObamaCare at the last minute, as reported by CBS, and doing so,  so late that the Conservative Justices were forced to rewrite their majority opinion to be minority dissent. These facts may answer that question.


In 2000 Justice Roberts and his wife Jane adopted two children. Initially it was apparent that the adoptions were "from a Latin American country", but over time it has become apparent that the adopted children were not Latin American, but were Irish.  Why this matters will become evident.

In 2005 the NY Times began investigating Roberts life as a matter of his nomination to the Supreme Court by George Bush.  The Times was shortly accused of trying to unseal the adoption papers and intending to violate  the anonymity of the adoption process... however there is more to the story.


Drudge did an article in 2005
http://patterico.com/2005/08/04/drudge-says-new-york-times-is-investigating-robertss-adoption-records/

  •             The NEW YORK TIMES is looking into the adoption records of the children of Supreme Court Nominee John G. Roberts, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

                The TIMES has investigative reporter Glen Justice hot on the case to investigate the status of adoption records of Judge Roberts’ two young children, Josie age 5 and Jack age 4, a top source reveals.

                Judge Roberts and his wife Jane adopted the children when they each were infants.

                Both children were adopted from Latin America.

                A TIMES insider claims the look into the adoption papers are part of the paper’s “standard background check.”

                Bill Borders, NYT senior editor, explains: “Our reporters made initial inquiries about the adoptions, as they did about many other aspects of his background. They did so with great care, understanding the sensitivity of the issue.”



Were the Children Adopted from Ireland?

This is not clear ... -- the Associated Press reports that they were "adopted from Latin America." This seems a bit puzzling, in light of the Time magazine report indicating that the children were born in Ireland. Also, their blonde hair and fair skin do not seem conventionally Latin American. 1

TIME had a “web exclusive” on the Roberts's (7/24/05) and quoted a family friend as stating the kids were “born in Ireland 4 1/2 months apart.”

How were the Children Adopted?

According to The New York Times, based on information from Mrs. Roberts's sister, Mary Torre, the children were adopted through a private adoption.

As explained by Families for Private Adoption, "[p]rivate (or independent) adoption is a legal method of building a family through adoption without using an adoption agency for placement. In private adoption, the birth parents relinquish their parental rights directly to the adoptive parents, instead of to an agency."2

But was Robert's adoption utilizing "a legal method"?

Apparently the process of adopting Jack involved some stress for John Roberts. According to Dan Klaidman of Newsweek, during the contested 2000 election, Roberts "spent a few days in Florida advising lawyers [for George W. Bush] on their legal strategy," but "he did not play a central role," because " at the time, Roberts was preoccupied with the adoption of his son."

It is now quite evident that the two Children were from Ireland.  Even wikipedia references these adoptions at the time of Roberts' confirmation, and indicates that the children were of Irish birth.

However Irish law 1) prohibits the adoption of Children to non-residents, and 2) also does not permit private adoptions, but rather has all adoptions go through a public agency.

This would explain the children's origin from a "Latin American country", so as to circumvent Irish law.

Evidently Roberts arranged for this adoption through some sort of trafficking agency, that got the children out of Ireland and into that Latin American country, from which they were adopted, thereby circumventing two Irish laws -- entirely illegal, but perhaps quasi-legitimized by the birth mothers (two) transporting the children out of Ireland. 

Undoubtedly Roberts and his wife spent a great deal of money for this illegal process, circumventing Irish laws and arranging for the transit of two Irish children from separate birth-mothers to a foreign nation.  Come 2012, those two children have been with the Roberts' for roughly 10 years, since they were adopted as "infants".

Some might feel an impulse dismiss this information, mistakenly believing Roberts and his wife were doing a good thing for a children needing a home.

That would be an inaccurate belief.  As recognized, such an inter-country adoption would only come about at great cost, and those who utilize this method are creating a for-profit black market in adoptive children, trafficking across international borders, and doing so from mothers who have not yet given up  their children except for that profit.  Such actions are creating a very unsavory profit-for-children human trafficking market that even necessitates immediate contact with new birth mothers in dire circumstances to offer financial gain. The entire arrangement is thoroughly predatory, turning children into only financial commodity,  and even providing motivation for their birth mothers to give them up! That's an important ethical recognition.   

Roberts is not deserving of any sort of respect here, and is only the latest example of people in position believing themselves above the law, beyond scrutiny and exempt from repercussion.

It all now makes sense.

The circumstances of these two adoptions explain not only why this would be overlooked by an overall sympathetic media, but also why a sitting Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court would not want this information to become public fodder well into his tenure.  Its release and public discussion would discredit Roberts as an impartial judge of the law, and undoubtedly  lead to his impeachment.

This also explains why Roberts would have a means to be blackmailed, and why that leverage would still exist even after the institution of ObamaCare.

... And it has led to flipping the swing-vote on ObamaCare, which fundamentally changed the relationship between citizen and government, making us de facto property of the state, with our relative worth in care and maintenance able to be determined by the government.  Essentially it was a coup without firing a shot, much less needing even an Amendment to the Constitution.

And it is consistent with Obama's Chicago-style politics, that has previously involved opening other sealed <divorce> records in order to win election.


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Re: How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2013, 08:04:21 AM »
This is something that has really had me going since they passed Obamacare as a tax.  I've had my doubts about just what happened with Roberts too.

To think that the decision rested with just one man on the fate of this nation was too much to believe.  There had to be something going on there with that.  They all knew this was an unconstitutional law, yet they managed to call it a tax and use the IRS to enforce it.

Obamacare fooled a lot of liberals into believing that it was a healthcare reform bill, when in reality...it's the new liberal version of their constitution changing the face of this nation that will never be able to be repealed completely if ever or at all.

So yeah, I believe there was a tremendous amount of pressure put on Roberts because we saw just how arrogant Obama was with his threats to the SC's who didn't tow the line with his plan. 
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Re: How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2013, 10:06:51 AM »
It appears to me that presuming the story about his children is true, the man was and is unqualified to be a Justice, let alone the Chief Justice. Of course, he is not the first, nor will he be the last Justice to be unqualified.

I would farther suggest he should have recused himself, or resigned from the Court, which of course would have been even more detrimental to the country. I have to place some blame on he that nominated and supposedly vetted him for the position. Mr Bush, however, had a record of not vetting properly his associates.

So we, then, as American citizens and taxpayers are once again at the mercy of unscrupulous men who are more interested in the furtherance of their careers than of service to the people.
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Re: How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2013, 11:13:33 AM »
For what it's worth... most of us don't necessarily think "conspiracy" is a bad word.  Apparently the government doesn't either... Else what's the need for the RICO act?
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Re: How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2013, 02:35:19 PM »
The only weak point in my thesis, above, was my understanding of Irish Adoption Law.

I have since done some research and learned that my assertions in the OP are indeed accurate.

Reference: Overview of Ireland Adoption Law (PDF)

The above document makes the following statements:

"The responsibility for making adoption orders is vested in the Irish Adoption Board, An Bord Uchtala. Before a final adoption order is made, the child usually is placed with the future adopter(s) by one of Ireland's Registered Adoption Societies." [page 1]

 

Who may adopt?

... "While the Irish acts do not require the applicants have Irish nationality or an Irish domicile, the applicants must be ordinarily resident in Ireland or have resident there during the year ending on the date of the order."[Page 4]


Adoption Authorities:
"The adoption process in Ireland is regulated by the Adoption Board -- the An Bord Uchtala -- which consists of a Chairman and eight members.   THe Adoption Board is an independent, quasi-judicial statutory body appointed by the Irish Government.   It has the sole right to grant or refuse to grant adoption orders.  The Board is also responsible for granting the declarations of eligibility and suitability to prospective adopters in advance of their adopting abroad and for maintaining the Register of Foreign Adoptions in which the details of intercountry adoptions are entered." [Page 4]


"Before an adoption agency can accept a child for adoption, the person proposing to give the child up must be furnished with a statement explaining the effect of adoption order upon his or her rights and the provisions of the adoption acts relating to consents.  An agreement to place the child with prospective adopters must be signed prior to the signing of consent.  The agreement to place must have been made freely, with full knowledge of the consequences, and under circumstances where neither the advice of persons engaged in the transaction nor the surrounding circumstances deprive the mother of the capacity to make a fully informed free decision.  In particular an agreement to place is "not valid if motivated by fear, stress or anxiety or dictated by parents or deprivations."[Page 7]

 
There are no private adoptions.

All adoptions go through the government board, An Bord Uchtala.

John Roberts was not ordinarily resident in Ireland, and was not resident there for the year ending on the date of an order that never passed through the Uchtala Board!

Furthermore, it is doubtful that Robert's adoption afforded the adopting mothers (two) an environment that fully informed each of them of their rights, and was free of stress, anxiety, coercion and "deprivations".  In fact it is virtually certain that the process involved removing two children and their respective mothers from Ireland, and any support structure they might have had there, not to mention removing them from the purview of Irish law!


This whole thing is highly illegal and unethical, and undeniably exposes Roberts to blackmail!


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Re: How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2013, 03:35:55 PM »
This is bigger than Fast and Furious.

This is bigger than Benghazi!

This is BIGGER than Watergate!


ETA: Well, maybe not. Not if Americans keep turning hte other cheek to politicians who believe they are above them, and above the law. Not if Americans do not take a stand for their guaranteed rights, and emphatically tell Congress and the Judiciary that the theft of their sovereign authority over their own bodies, ObamaCare, is unacceptable and unconstitutional.

The big question here is "When will we STAND, if ever?"

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Re: How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2013, 09:02:53 AM »
I sent a link of this thread to Mike Rivero.  If anybody can get it out to the public, he can.
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Re: How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2013, 10:37:25 AM »
Over 3 pages of "guests" reading this thread .... :wtf:
all "spiders" ?

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2013, 11:07:20 AM »
No.  It's people reading the thread.  I told you Mike Rivero would get this story out!

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Re: How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2013, 11:56:26 AM »
Your Conspiracy Theory does not go deep enough. What did Vlad the Putin get in return for barring Americans adoption of Russian Children? Is this action just a little reminder to Justice Roberts from the 1% that crime does pay?

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Re: How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2013, 12:05:17 PM »
Your Conspiracy Theory does not go deep enough. What did Vlad the Putin get in return for barring Americans adoption of Russian Children? Is this action just a little reminder to Justice Roberts from the 1% that crime does pay?

I'm not sure that I follow where you're going with this.  Can you give me a hint?
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Re: How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2013, 01:44:45 PM »
I'm confused too!!  :shrug:

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Re: How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2013, 02:19:45 AM »
 Attached below is in image taken at the White House Tuesday July 22, 2005, when G. W. Bush introduced John Roberts as his choice for the next associate justice of the Supreme Court. Appearing with Roberts and Bush, to the right, are Robert's wife Jane, and their two adopted children, Josie (Josephine) and Jack.

The four J's: John, Jane, Josie and Jack.

The Washington Post covered the story with an article titled, "An Image a Little Too Carefully Coordinated", in which the author engages in a rather unsavory vivisection of the Roberts family conservative attire.

Perhaps the Post's article title was even more apropos than they then knew!

 (Pool Photo By Shawn Thew)
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Re: How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2013, 05:46:14 AM »
In my introduction to this inquiry into Roberts' adoptions, I wrote the following:

"Many of us have questioned what caused Roberts  to switch his vote on ObamaCare at the last minute, as reported by CBS, and doing so,  so late that the Conservative Justices were forced to rewrite their majority opinion to be minority dissent."

The above statement about the conservative justices having to rewrite their majority opinion is not likely  accurate.

According to some sources, Roberts wrote both the majority and a large portion of minority dissenting opinions.   The liberal news outlet Salon.com has a story on July 3, 2012, "Roberts Wrote Both ObamaCare Opinions", written by law professor Paul Campos, citing "a source within the court with direct knowledge of the drafting process."

In this Salon article, Campos rejects the claim that the conservative minority wrote the dissenting opinion in response to Roberts' majority opinion. Instead Campos' source indicates that Roberts authored as much as the "first 46 pages" of the dissent, originally intended to be the majority opinion.   Only after Roberts switched his vote did the remaining four Justices author the final 19 pages of that dissenting opinion. 

In support of this, Campos points out that it is extraordinary "in the court’s history that a dissent has gone on for 13,000 words before getting around to mentioning that it is, in fact, dissenting", and yet there are repeated references to dissent from the majority opinion in those last 19 pages.

After having witnessed a Congress that told us we'd have to pass the bill to know what was inside it, that achieved the numbers to pass the bill by giving special considerations to states, and special interest groups, and telling outright lies to the American public, Americans should find whatever shenanigans that led to Roberts riding (and writing) on both sides of the fence, to be unacceptable for legislation that so thoroughly affects every American, and fundamentally changes the relationship between citizen and government, subverting the cornerstone of this country's foundation, without even resorting to an amendment to the Constitution.

Our government is operating without reason, ethic or restraint, and Chief Justice John Roberts, along with many other perpetrators, should be compelled to undergo a rigorous examination before any more of this monstrosity becomes enacted and incapable of being reversed due to the intrusive bureaucratic corruption of once-free markets, and once-free citizens become wards of the state shackled by that bureaucracy.





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Re: How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2013, 09:21:49 AM »
... and once-free citizens become wards of the state shackled by that bureaucracy.

I would argue that you were never free, and have always been a ward of the state.  The only difference between today and 40 years ago is that the illusion is wearing thin these days.
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